...Du kannst davon ausgehen, das "viele" ihre Finger mit drin hatten, das ist so und wird immer so sein...gibts genug Beispiele..auch für unsere "Dienste".
Wird man nicht aufklären..
Wird man nicht, wenn manes nicht versucht.
Klar, hättest Du gerne so einen, wenn du Masochistisch veranlagt bist dann lebs privat aus...
wer garantiert Dir, das Du nicht einer der ersten bist, der vom "Tyran" in der Wüste verbudelt wird ?
Weil der so genannte Tyran kein Tyran war oO
Gabs wohl nur für "bestimmte" Leute und das führt früher oder später zu Unruhen...
Unter Gaddafis Herrschaft waren prozentual gesehen viel weniger Menschen von Armut bedroht als in der USA oder in Deutschland.
Von daher würd ich nicht sagen das dasnur für bestimmte Leute galt
Klar, was dagegen ? Auf die "Verteilung" kommts an.
Bin nur ich es der es komisch findet, dass Frankreich jetzt plötzlich neue Ölverträge kriegt und nicht China z.B.?
Hier noch ein guter Text über Gaddafi
GADDAFI PLACED $97 BILLION ON TABLE TO FREE AFRICA FROM IMPERIALISM!
Why They Want Him, Dead!
The Picture: War on Libya is War on Entire Africa
Source: Reuters Edited By: Quoriana
Posted: 2011/07/27
In 2010 Gaddafi offered to invest $97 billion in Africa to free it from Western influence, on condition that African states rid themselves of corruption and nepotism. Gaddafi always dreamed of a Developed, United Africa and was about to make that dream come true - and nothing is more terrifying to the West than a Developed, United Africa.
Here is a selection of the initiatives Libya has already put in place in Africa, as well as some of the projects it is planning, explaining why the West's illegal war against Libya also is a war against Entire Africa.
AFRICAN UNION: Libya is one of the biggest contributors to the budget of the African Union. A Libyan diplomat told Reuters Libya is one of five countries -- the others are Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa -- which cover 75 percent of the Union's budget. "Libya makes its full required contribution to AU funds. Not all countries do and that buys it influence," a senior African Union official said.
MALI: For several years Mali has been confronted with the activities of the radical Islamist militia Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb in its northern deserts. Gaddafi’s money and diplomacy have helped to resolve conflicts in northern Mali between rebels and the government. In 2010 Libya has given Mali two security planes to combat insecurity in the north of the country. These conflicts could flare up again if Gaddafi exits the stage. Nowadays Gaddafi has many supporters in Mali who regularly march to protest against the Western-led military intervention in Libya.
CONGO: Libya has put $65 billion into sovereign wealth funds, including one which is specifically designed to make investments in Africa. The Libyan Arab African Investment Company, a vehicle of Libya's Africa sovereign wealth fund, owns Le Meridien, one of the biggest hotels in Congo. The hotel is undergoing refurbishment paid for by Libyan investment. In 2010, Libya planned to fund the building of a highway north of Congo's capital Brazzaville, where also the building of a mosque is planned.
LIBERIA: Libya has provided millions in investment projects, helping to strengthen the rule of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf in one of Africa’s most impoverished nations. Gaddafi's help includes the funding of a rubber processing factory built in Gbarnga, Bong County, a technical and vocational school for the handicapped, as well as Libyan assistance in helping Liberia tackle the food crisis and renovation for the Ducor Intercontinental Hotel.
NIGER: Also in Niger Gaddafi has helped to prop up the government and the authorities would become more fragile without his financial help. Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi visited Niger in August 2010 and announced the creation of a $100 million investment fund for Niger as part of a strengthening of bilateral ties. Under earlier agreements, Libya is contributing 100 million euros for the construction of a Trans-Sahara highway in the north of Niger, according to sources close to Niger's foreign ministry. The local subsidiary of Libya Oil, along with Total, are the major players in Niger's fuel retailing business.
CHAD: Gaddafi has been a key supporter of the government, which would weaken if it lost his aid revenue. Chad has been plagued by civil wars and invasions after its independence from France in 1960. After years of unrest, Gaddafi seals a peace agreement for Chad between four Chadian rebel groups and the Chadian government in 2007, which agreement was signed in Sirte.
In 2010 Libya made a huge investment in Chad's National Telecom, which meant a boost of the number of the Chadian mobile phone users from 100,000 to two million.
CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC: Libya has helped to prop up the fragile government, sending paratroopers into the capital in 2001 to defeat a rebel assault. In 2008 Gaddafi played a role in the formation of a peace agreement between the government and rebel groups.
MAURITANIA: Gaddafi was the first head of state to visit after a 2008 coup which brought President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz to power. Aziz, who subsequently won a presidential election, has visited Gaddafi several times since then. Even Mauritanian opposition politicians have gone to Tripoli to pledge allegiance to the Libyan leader. Mauritania has debts to Libya of about $200 million. During discussions on debt relief in May 2010, the Libyan Central Bank announced Libya would provide $50 in grants to build a hospital and a university. The university is to be named after Gaddafi.
SUDAN: The 20,000-troop peacekeeping mission in Dafur, jointly supported by the African Union and the United Nations, could be hampered if the African Union (AU) loses funding from Gaddafi and destabilize the country. Gaddafi, who blamed the crisis in Darfur on Israel, made a number of attempts to broker peace talks between Darfur rebels and the Sudanese government.
In October 2010, Gaddafi warned ahead of a vote on possible independence for South Sudan that a partition of the country would be a “contagious disease” that could spread to other African states.
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ETHIOPIA: The African Union, based in Ethiopia's capital, could find itself in financial trouble if it loses the massive support that Gaddafi gives it. Under his rule, Libya supplied 15% of the AU’s membership dues, and it also paid the dues of many smaller and poorer African nations. To seek for a solution of the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict, Gaddafi has sent a special envoy to Ethiopia in 2000. In 2008, Libya's OiLibya bought Shell Ethiopia. This agreement also included retaining all Shell employees, who were hoping to work in a better environment since a long time
SOMALIA: The African Union peace keeping mission, whose 8,000 soldiers are crucial to the battle against Islamic radicals in Somalia's capital Mogadishu, could be severely weakened if the AU lost the financial support of Gaddafi. In 2008 Libya decided to grant an investment fund to Somalia through the Sahel-Saharan Investment and Trade Bank to fund infrastructures such as roads and bridges within Somalia.
GAMBIA: Libyan firms own two hotels and the "Dream Park" entertainment centre in Gambia. Gambian agriculture has received support from Libya, including a donation of seven new tractors. In 2009 Gaddafi gave two camels to Gambian President Yahya Jammeh as a gift. The Libyan and Gambian presidents have exchanged visits and senior Gambian officials attended ceremonies in September to mark the anniversary of Gaddafi coming to power. On September 7, 2009, Gambia celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Al Fateh Revolution: "In Libya everyone enjoys Freedom!"
A BIT ABOUT THE LIBYIAN PEOPLE'S PREVIOUS QUALITY OF LIFE
1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free
for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are
state-owned and loans given
to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya –
Gaddafi vowed that his parents
would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a
home. Gaddafi’s father has
died while him, his wife and his mother are still living
in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$
50,000 ) by the government
to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in
Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25%
of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career,
they would receive farming
land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and
livestock to kick- start their farms
– all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical
facilities they need in Libya,
the government funds them to go abroad for it –
not only free but they get US
$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government
subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves
amount to $150 billion – now
frozen globally.
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after
graduation the state would
pay the average salary of the profession as if he or
she is employed until
employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to
the bank accounts of all
Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US
$5 ,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation
project, known as the Great
Man-Made River project, to make water readily
available throughout the desert
country.
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A BIT OF BACKGROUND INTO THE HISTORY OF LIBYA:
Dictator he might be, but I don't think he is any worse of the leaders of countries such as the UK or USA who have contributed to the deaths of millions of civilians in war and helped expand vast poverty with and out-width their own countries.
The official UN Advisory Committee on Human Rights report from January 2011
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies...-HRC-16-15.pdf
Gadaffi was attempting to make a gold backed currency and encouraging other African nations to join him in this move which would mean that we could see better balance and essentially destroy the petrodollar (quite rightfully, the big oil industry players and the governments and investors they support and vice vera only care about profit and will stop at no lengths to secure profit whether it means death or poverty to others).
The real motive in my opinion was economically based because of the gold backed currency and as seen here most of the population in the capital has been seen out demonstrating in support of their leader..........
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?no...80010078727018
An independent report on Libya.
"Organized on the initiative of the ‘Centre international de recherche and et d’études sur le terrorisme et d’aide aux victimes du terrorisme’ (CIRET-*‐AVT1) [International Center for the Study and Research into Terrorism and assistance to the victims of Terrorism] and the ‘Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement’ (CF2R2) [French Center for Intelligence Studies]
and with the support of the ‘Forum pour la paix en Méditerranée’ 3 [Mediterranean Peace Forum], a delegation of international experts arrived to tour Tripoli and the Tripolitana from 31st March to 6th April, then to Benghazi and Cyrenaica (19th to 25th April) in order to evaluate the Libyan situation independently, without bias and to meet representatives of both sides."
Libya Report 2011.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage
Another well put together report on Libya by Andrew Gavin Marshall
Lies, War, and Empire: NATO?s ?Humanitarian Imperialism? in Libya Andrew Gavin Marshall
He oppressed political movements and people died when he came to power originally (many other coups have been the same). After that period I am not convinced he was the worst leader around. The lengths he went to improve the country and from what I've read during the Libya conflict is that lots of pepople hated him and that lots of people loved him. There was an extreme tendancy from all the reports I read that people were being attacked for showing loyality even if they were non violent. Also widepsred accusations of families homes being attacked to try and cull out the numbers but it is uncertain if that is credible all not....
Things that I needed to consider is videos like this with people apparently out in support but the western media totally ignored it. Maybe it was old footage used as propaganda ploy.
(apparently huge crowds out in support)
HUGE PRO GADDAFI RALLY in Tripoli - Raw Footage - YouTube
I watched live video feeds of the same thing, but again, it is hard to know if it was old footage or really live.
I am also skeptical about lockerbie as well. I've not seen the evidence to back up the claim Libya was involved. Gadaffi did make payments but it is unclear whether that suggests he was gulity, felt bad that they had been attacked so paid because he can afford it or if it was to open the chanell for trading.
I'm personally a bit sceptical about wether this man (the convicted bomber) had anything to do with it. Seems things he has said as been taken out of context and as far as I know, the only thing which convicted him in the first place was a witness statement by a man who offered contradictory statements about the movements of Megrahi and a piece of an electronic device which we have no way of knowing if there was a link between Megrahi and the device or not. The man who offered the convicting statements was also paid 2 million dollars by America, but this was not disclosed at the time of the trial.... I don't know who was behind the Lockerbie bombing but I am not quite ready to believe that the convincted man had anything to with it.
How long must we wait before something is done about BBC Scotland?
he best way to describe the origins of the NTC is that there was rivalry from people in the west of libya and the rest of libya, due to the tribal system. The people in the west of libya were more muslim fundamentalist and made is a religious war in many respects. They ended up forming about 1/3 to 2/3 of the NTC. The rest generally came from criminal backgrounds and in the past had been involved in fighting over territory with Gadaffi....
From what I can gather from reading those reports and article from people in Libya, a lot of the population feared the muslim fundamentalists of the NTC inplmenting shari law as that was something people in the capital supposedly wanted to distance themselves away from.
